The editors may move any poem at any time from or to any board.  They make their own decisions.  I may reject a poem but any other editor can reinstate a poem on the submit board at any time.  There is no requirement that an explanation be given because the reasons are clearly stated in other areas of this site.

Please re-read the following from the Guidelines for Submission:
We are open to poetry of all types from serious poets. However, poems that exhibit any of the following characteristics will likely be rejected:
•   Sloppy grammar, punctuation, and spelling when the sloppiness is clearly not intentional
•   Cliches in diction or content
•   A style that reflects more familiarity with greeting card or "inspirational" verse than what is typically considered serious postmodern or contemporary work

And this phrase from The Poetry Circle Editorial Concept which is included in the reason behind requesting real names: “this is a forum of and for advanced poets”
 
As several of us have pointed out in the past, we volunteer to do this. Neither you nor I are required to pay, nor do we get paid.  Therefore there is no requirement on our part beyond what we choose to set for ourselves. The poet has not been blocked from posting, rather the individual poem was rejected.  A serious poet will soon gain a deeper understanding of poetry merely by reading poetry here.  I did. I continue to do so.

So you can only be advanced if your style is "considered serious postmodern or contemporary work"?

That's not the way I see it, but you got the inner circle over here and I'm sure all you probably have similar guidelines and feelings about the topic. Basically my style of writing rejects me from posting here, unfortunately...

Maybe if you changed it from 'Rejections' to something nicer it wouldn't sound so bad :/

Well, see ya, thanks for the explanation.

 Okay, I disagree with this rubbish. You are clearly a site filled with the clique mentality. Believe me I have seen this on other sites. You do not take certain types of work unless they fit your little nitch all your friends here like. You have friends editing friends here from other sites they pat each others backs on. None of them would ever make it as a legitimate editor. Their heads are swelled thinking they know it all. They are the same on the other site they belong to. I am sick of this sad mentality and of this sad site.

I have seen some of the work rejected here. I have not seen much in the way of help given. I have been treated rudely by some hack thinking he knows it all when I gave a legitimate review before. That behaviour put me off this place immediately. I write for many sites far more superior than this joke site. They have real editors working for them that they employ and give fair reviews. You kid yourself into thinking you are advanced. Who are you inept bunch of idiots to tell me or any other writer what is advanced. Someone like you people would reject Shakespeare. You would tell him his work is too cliché and over done. No, we must embrace your ideas and writing style to be accepted. Only your ideology behind what makes writing superior is what the world wants. That’s why you all have best selling books. NOT. You are so much higher than all writers. NOT You shove your trite ideas in the face of poetic expression. Poetic licence. You make a mockery of what poetry and the name Poet really means.  I laugh at your sad rules. None of you people are published in anything big. You are drops in a bucket. You are too big for your boots people. (Pardon my cliché, but it fits – like a glove – oops another one, imagine that)

Your editors here are ridiculous. I don’t care how many conventions they attend or classes they attend. They have gleaned nothing if this is how they treat writers of poetry. Poetry is open to all expressions and embraces many. You call yourself advanced writers. Ha ha ha ha. Nobody advanced would have the audacity to write such dribble. I see some have won rinky-dink awards. This swelled their heads up bigger than a float in the New Year parade. Now they edit the work here. That is why I won’t ever submit anything here. I was going to but I have no desire. Guess what, I am published. I have something to offer that you would more than likely pass your non-professional judgment and fail. No surprise. Most of the work here is from the clique on the other site I wouldn’t give two cents to read. Editors here?, another site shot down.

I'm going to spread the word. I will tell everyone across the web about you people. I can because my work has a lot of marketing behind it. I will tell everyone about how the group mentality has gripped this dishonest lousy site.

When friends review friends, there is no growth. I've seen nothing here but favouritism and stagnation coupled with overblown egos. Too bad I really thought this place had promise. I was wrong as wrong as could ever be. I shall never return to read the harpies attack this post. Oh, but it will be deleted anyway, and I don’t care. I have the pleasure to know someone saw it and that is what counts. I will save a copy of this and past it all over the web be sure of that. I will warn all writers of this favouritism horrid site for groups that are prejudice and only for their own mind frame. You live inside the box. As a poet, that is death.

Delete my account.

Oh, and for the record. Your first outrageous mistake was when you demanded I give my real name. Of course I would never do such a moronic thing. Who do you idiots think you are to make such demands? Talk about egos out of control. Good grief.

I think this is true for all of us. In addition, I shall repeat...if I were a new member, posting some purty intimate stuff, I would want an explanation as to WHY my purty intimate stuff SUCKED enough to make the reject bin. Conscious of other's feelings is the first step towards wholeness.

--in the morning

Alyx,

Writing is, to a certain extent, about rejection; about rejecting your own work and about having it rejected by others. When Jay started this site, he wanted a poetry forum with higher standards, so that a certain caliber of writers consistently posted poems, critiqued, responded to critiques, etc. Honestly, this site is damn good, and the standards accepted here are not arbitrary or style-specific. I've seen other sites, and most of them look like a group of ex-Hallmark writers got together to compliment each other, smile, and eat bon-bons. Did you actually take a look at the poems in the 'Rejection' bin? Though I admit I'm not always crazy about what gets posted, whatever's rejected quite plainly deserves to be. It's not a matter of someone writing in iambic pentameter or rhyming or whatever. We have writers on PC who actually know how to do that. Maybe someone took a peek and realized her work was... not quite as special as she would've hoped? I was going to say, 'You might think of posting some decent poems before you go on a tirade,' but then I realized my mistake. I'm sure you'll find plenty of other sites to suit your interests. 


Goodbye,

-O 

Oleska,
I am purty sure she said "I'm not going to come back to read what you respond to this..." or something along those lines. So if you intended to reply with some wisdom-filled crap so that you could reassure people you were still inside the circlejerkboat...then I might say, mission accomplished...and how many people can say that? Well, I guess good ol' George Double-ya. Truth be told, I disagree with much of what Alyx (crazy spelling, eh?) has said, however, on the notion of favortism, I have much to say about what my instinct tells me. Sometimes, when I am trying to decide what an inkling means, I simply resign myself to the fact that from some deep core within, it tis my instinct speaking...in regard to favortism inklings, I have had a slight suspicion. Call me crazy...call me...slightly mad...off my rocker...but what the fuck are YOU saving up to be...anyways?

--riss-kay

here is what michael thinks:

THE COMPLEAT PINNACLE  PEOPLE

there they sit
perfectly fit
stretched wide
tight and high
on pinnacles with
smooth and shiny
ends applied
in pointed slick design
fragrantly oiled to slide
right on up their hienies

pinnacle people
live pinnacley tall
in their wee little bit
of a tiny town
[did I say small?]

this town they inhabit
Pinnacle Town to wit
is psychically incestual
and profoundly ingrown
with but very few occupants
whom Pinnacle Town’s
policied ordinance
definitively tries to mold
into sycophants

one must realize
these townfolks to be
well-intentioned citizenry
some of whom recently sent
subtle invitations out
inviting new town occupants

but when one finally arrives
they forget to welcome them
and instead commence
immediately to criticize
criticisms keenly heard
by the visiting fledgling bird

when accused of bad manners
they excuse their misdemeanors
as required professional demeanor
and cooperate together to distill
and expel what they deem 
appropriate communal spit

unless that new resident
has a true sycophantic
and/or masochistic bent
they will bag this absurd
psychic rent
and quickly split



michael

Joseph,

I don't understand; though, on the subject of favoritism, I'll only say that it seems PC people will be more likely to rate a poem highly if it's by someone whose writing they've enjoyed already. And that is a problem, but I wouldn't say it's full-blown favoritism: new writers, even if their style doesn't match anyone else's, are taken in if their work is sufficiently admired. I've been here for a few years, and this has always been the case.

As far as circle-jerking, I don't think that's fair. I think there are definitely some problems with this site, and, quite frankly, I don't know that the work that gets posted is at the level it was at, say, two summers ago. Nor is my work at that level. But what does get me beyond pissed off is red-eyed newbies ranting about cliquishness and whining about how their poems have been rejected. If someone's going to bitch about criticism, then they shouldn't bloody be here. I hope Alyx does read what I posted; since she's someone obviously immature enough to go venomous filibuster for no reason, I could see her going back on her word and checking on her little speech.


Take care,

-O 

Oleksa, it isn't the fact of rejection or no rejection, it is the manner in which rejection is carried out, sometimes with little or no explanation to the poet as to why the poem was rejected----consider it from the viewpoint of the newbie----they come onto the site, post a poem, and immediately it is rejected----or, instead of being greeted by the editors, and welcomed to the site, the first thing they read from the editors is extensive critique of their poem----now, perhaps that poem NEEDS critiquing, but wouldn't it be kind to say hello first?

to the newbie, all this seems very rude, and, indeed it would feel that way to anyone not yet personally experienced with how the site works----there are other sites on which poems are also rejected, but this is done by the editors before the poem is posted, so as not to publicly shame and embarrass the poet----this seems a simple courtesy to me, to show enough respect for a new poet that you are careful not to embarrass or insult them in public...

what is gained by this public insult?----who profits from it?----certainly not the newbie----the only gain I can see is to the collective egos of the editors themselves, who certainly, even though they deny it vehemently, must experience some kind of gratification within themselves when they reject a poem without any concern whatsoever for the feelings of the poet----to do this in the way it is done here is essentially unkind----unkind is a powerful word----unkindness is a mild form of hate----unkindess is discourteous----it is the opposite of compassion----and when unkindness rears its very ugly head in a public place, it should, quite rightfully, be shot between the eyes, and exposed for what it is, which is dehumanizing...

michael

For the record, I don't think we should have a rejection system like we do: I've suggested before that we should have would-be poets send a few sample poems in to an editorial e-mail account to determine whether they're PC material or not. It would save time and aggravation for everyone, and it would mean less ranting. Maybe it would be nicer if editors included an explanation when they tossed a post into the rejection bin, but I don't think it's fair to ask them to do more than they already do. Before I joined up, I spent hours just reading the submit & editor's picks sections just to get a sense of what PC standards were. I could tell the difference between sharp- and shoddy-by-PC-standards writing then. Now, if people are simply uninformed because they neglected to go and find out about some of the major mechanisms of the site, how can I feel sorry for them? They either didn't read the numerous posts about rejection, or didn't ask an editor beforehand, or didn't read any poems on this site, or read them but still don't grasp the qualities of a poem that make it worth reading. And that is a shame, but what are we to do?   

Take care,

-O

I think the current system works well. Naturally people who find their work in the rejected bin are going to be put off. But then aren't we all when we get rejection slips?

This remains the only decent poetry board on the Internet. Whatever it was that got it to that level, I'd say keep it.

what can you do, Oleksa?----what you have already done, and what all the editors have done, is help people like me learn how to write better poetry----my poetry was frequently rejected at first too, and I got very upset, not because of the rejection, but because of being publicly ridiculed----when I studied this site's system, I saw how unbalanced it is, and decided, basically, "well, fuck 'em!", and then settled down to learn----like you, I read and read, and am still reading and reading----I love it----I love this site----one can learn here...

for me, milner is, hands down, the finest editor here----he is generous with his time, reviewing lots and lots of poems, and giving respectul and gentle helps to their poets----he's never pushy or smugly arrogant, and he reviews more than any of the rest of them do----he writes prolifically, and his poems always teach me something----he makes it look so easy, and we both know it isn't, not at all...

michael

Everyone needs to be a little less sensitive. It's just the internet...seriously.

You bet your ass there's favoritism. Good poems are favored and sometimes some poets write more than one good poem. It ain't easy and its not just the consequence of a good "beer shit". Everybody's got something to say, welling up in them like a chili bomb, and somehow poetry is viewed as the easiest orifice to use. It's too bad, because often poetry just isn't a good way to SAY. What's more amazing are the poets who don't like it here, but seem hellbent to STAY, and I like every damn one of them, just not all their poems that way.

What does using your real name have to do with the rejection system of this site?