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Purely Hypothetical
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January 02, 2012, 10:34:28 PM »
by
Tom Riordan
What if someone really holy doesn't
want
to go to Heaven?
What if they petition God to continue succoring the afflicted,
giving drink to the thirsty and clothing the naked after death?
What if hearing prayers in comfort from afar just isn't
them?
Would it violate His plan too much to let them serve in Hell?
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Re: Purely Hypothetical
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January 02, 2012, 11:19:44 PM »
by
grant
Yes it would Tom. Clearly God is All Forgiving until your dead.
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To succeed or not is irrelevant. There is no such thing. Making your unknown known is what is important.
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January 03, 2012, 04:13:41 AM »
by
Pam Scobie
This is more than a teaser. Really powerful. I wish I'd studied theology because it's tied up with poetry all the time.Pam
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January 03, 2012, 07:58:49 AM »
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Tom Riordan
Grant, good clear answer. Thank you!
Pam, same here. I loosen their bonds for 30 minutes every day and let them play a little ring-toss. LOL. Tom
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January 03, 2012, 08:08:47 AM »
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silent lotus
this reminds me of... that in Mahāyāna Buddhism there is the level of the Bodhisattva Shepherd, who makes sure that all his/her sheep arrive safely ahead of himself and places their welfare above his/her own before he/she attains enlightenment.
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January 03, 2012, 08:23:09 AM »
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Tom Riordan
I like that, Silent. That's me -- postponing enlightenment to give others first dibs! Stuff doesn't grow on trees. Tom
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January 03, 2012, 08:39:45 AM »
by
Tom Riordan
Theology is tied up with poetry all the time.
- Pam Scobie
Lord, how many centuries?
But then one day
the door at the top of the stairs
was yanked open
and we heard the muffled cries
of another prisoner
being wrestled to the top step
and then sent tumbling down.
We looked at each other
in amazement—
hope and consternation both
choking our throats.
Our new cell-mate moaned,
stirred and finally lifted his face.
“Oh, great,” he grumbled,
“Ma and Pa Kettle!”
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January 03, 2012, 01:03:51 PM »
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Robin B. Lipinski
interesting read. humans make the simple complicated when the complicated is actually simple.
Heaven: To be with God.
Hell: To be without God.
Politicians: Think they are God.
God: Knows God is God.
(and the list goes on and on.)
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Just a moment, it will be.
Just a moment, it will be gone.
Re: Purely Hypothetical
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January 03, 2012, 01:20:47 PM »
by
Tom Riordan
Quote from: Robin B. Lipinski on January 03, 2012, 01:03:51 PM
humans make the simple complicated
Who?
"Kant, on the other hand, appealed to an empirically present simplicity, a simplicity subject to modification. For example, degree (temperature) is a simple determination, but is subject to the greatest variation. Red is simple, but can become more or less intense. It is always this same simple red. Accordingly, as Kant tells us, if the soul or consciousness is laid out as something simple that is no proof of the immortality of the soul. Consciousness can be subject to variations in intensity and can sink into unconsciousness, as in sleep. The sensation we have of the remaining amputated stubs of members still qualifies as consciousness, but in degree is only one step removed from consciousness at its very weakest. Such simplicity is a good counter-example to the classical metaphysical category of simplicity. The real interest of the immortality of the soul goes quite beyond merely abstract simplicity. Spirit is more concrete in its simplicity. The main point is that such abstract metaphysical categories corresponding to the Kantian categories of the understanding are one-sided, and are insufficient to grasp anything true, precisely because there is no truth to them. Such simplicity is an abstraction without activity—a one-sided and untrue determination." - Hegel
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January 03, 2012, 01:34:18 PM »
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Robin B. Lipinski
yes, humans have a wonderful knack of making much out of nothing. a rock: simple, hard, heavy, laying undisturbed except for the random whims of glaciers, earthquakes, storms. then, man comes along, cuts it into a faceted diamond, which is stolen, other people are murdered. or, another rock is cast in anger by a man towards another man who also throws rocks. better and more simple to leave the rock rest where it is.
truth is truth and then there is Truth, just as god is god and then there is God. there is a reason for the words, "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven."
i wish i could simply let the wood lay outside, peaceful under the many feet of fresh snow, but i must now complicate my life by dressing for battle, fire up the cranky saw, and cut/split/carry the pieces so we may have warmth.
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Just a moment, it will be gone.
Re: Purely Hypothetical
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January 03, 2012, 03:43:17 PM »
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Peter R
Quote from: Tom Riordan on January 02, 2012, 10:34:28 PM
What if someone really holy doesn't
want
to go to Heaven?
What if they petition God to continue comforting the afflicted,
giving drink to the thirsty and clothing the naked after death?
What if hearing prayers in comfort from afar just isn't
them?
Would it violate His plan too much to let them serve in Hell?
Not just the holy, but I think many will willingly divert to Hell: some easily fooled, and some very brave who'll gamble it all in that place of gaudy flowers and black alleys.
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January 03, 2012, 03:47:30 PM »
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Tom Riordan
Have a good chop, Robin.
Peter, you bring up the interesting thought. Maybe El Diablo's whole ploy is to sell us on the Hot Coals Resort rather than the Cloud Nine!
Open bar, all you can eat buffet, etc.
Tom
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January 03, 2012, 03:50:28 PM »
by
grant
Dear God. I've been told all is simple. Please give me the simple equation for who lives Without God forever. Please don't tell me well, just the Christians, because that would make a lot of good people godless. If Truth or truth were simple none of us would be here offering up our latest attempts.
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To succeed or not is irrelevant. There is no such thing. Making your unknown known is what is important.
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January 03, 2012, 04:12:07 PM »
by
Tiko Lewis
your pen is lively,
Tom. keep 'em
coming!
tiko
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...i don't eat jelly beans afterward.
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January 03, 2012, 04:44:01 PM »
by
Peter R
Quote
Peter, you bring up the interesting thought. Maybe El Diablo's whole ploy is to sell us on the Hot Coals Resort rather than the Cloud Nine!
Open bar, all you can eat buffet, etc.
Tom
Yes, I think Hell could have a strong tourist appeal. But with all those scores to be settled and such sharp knives and questionable policing, I think many will wish they'd given it a miss.
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