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  Sake
« on: August 07, 2011, 10:27:28 PM » by cherylleverette

Mom and Dad have a sake set:
tiny porcelain cups with no handles.

Each held to the light, you see
a Japanese woman or a Japanese man.

When the dark eyed woman
isn't sleeping, she's fierce.





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A poet dares be just so clear and no clearer.... He unzips the veil from beauty, but does not remove it.  A poet utterly clear is a trifle glaring.  ~E.B. White

  Re: Sake
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2011, 11:10:23 PM » by Tom Riordan
Mom and Dad had a sake set
with tiny porcelain cups
no handles
Held up to the light
there appeared a Japanese woman
or a Japanese man
When the dark eyed woman
wasn't sleeping
she was fierce
The poem has the same translucence as the sake cups you describe, which is just lovely, making the last sentence seem so clear and true, for all its mysteries. Tom
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  Re: Sake
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2011, 05:37:15 PM » by maggie flanagan-wilkie
I like this, cheryl.

Some thoughts on tightening.

Mom and Dad had a sake set:
tiny porcelain cups with no handles.

Held up to the light, you'd see
a Japanese woman or a Japanese man.

When the dark eyed woman wasn't sleeping,
she was fierce.

Maggie

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  Re: Sake
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2011, 03:02:39 PM » by cherylleverette
Thanks Tom, I love your comments.  Just what I could wish for.

Maggie, thank you as well.  Your suggestions are invaluable. 

I made even more changes.  Please let me know what you think.

The thing is I may have changed this from a childhood thing to a 'today' thing.  Not sure that was the wise thing to do.  But heck, I can always change it back.

Thank you very much.

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  Re: Sake
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2011, 03:07:35 PM » by Ross Johnson
The new edit is wonderful
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  Re: Sake
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2011, 03:25:39 PM » by Tom Riordan
"Holding each to the light" in L4, to head off misreading (?) that you can't tell if it's a man or woman, rather than that some have a man, some have a woman?
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  Re: Sake
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2011, 04:26:04 PM » by cherylleverette
Ross, thank you so much.  Nice meeting you & kind of you to comment.


The new edit is wonderful
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A poet dares be just so clear and no clearer.... He unzips the veil from beauty, but does not remove it.  A poet utterly clear is a trifle glaring.  ~E.B. White

  Re: Sake
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2011, 04:28:44 PM » by cherylleverette
Tom, thank you.  You're comment makes me think of something I had in mind -- removing the Japanese man altogether, or I could use your idea.  Do I really need both man and woman?  And now that I think about it, I don't think a man was ever visible -- just a beautiful Asian woman with dark eyes and hair.


"Holding each to the light" in L4, to head off misreading (?) that you can't tell if it's a man or woman, rather than that some have a man, some have a woman?


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  Re: Sake
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2011, 04:34:36 PM » by Tom Riordan
Having the man there gives her a reason to be fierce, or a someone to be fierce at. The "Mom and Dad" in the original also fed into that idea. Erasing both, a very different poem, depends what's on your mind, I guess.

What the real cups had on them, well, you know me, I'm of the Big Liar School of Poetry! Tom
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  Re: Sake
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2011, 04:46:44 PM » by cherylleverette
Tom you're right about the mom & dad thing.  Awesome idea.  Thank you!


Having the man there gives her a reason to be fierce, or a someone to be fierce at. The "Mom and Dad" in the original also fed into that idea. Erasing both, a very different poem, depends what's on your mind, I guess.

What the real cups had on them, well, you know me, I'm of the Big Liar School of Poetry! Tom
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  Re: Sake
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2011, 03:30:44 PM » by maggie flanagan-wilkie
I think the full stop after woman works for the poem, Cheryl.

Holding each to the light, you see
a Japanese woman. Or a Japanese man.

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  Re: Sake
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2011, 03:42:02 PM » by Tom Riordan
Holding each to the light, you see
a Japanese woman. Or a Japanese man.
Doesn't that makes it sound like you can't tell which, again?
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  Re: Sake
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2011, 01:27:28 PM » by maggie flanagan-wilkie
Dressed ornately you might not know. I see it as a silhouette in the light. The headwork could be deceiving.
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  Sake
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2011, 02:38:20 AM » by Michelle Beth Cronk
What if the "or" was dropped but the full stop left in?

...you see a Japanese women.  A Japanese man.

I've been following this one with interest Cheryl - I like it very much - M
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  Re: Sake
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2011, 08:20:00 AM » by silent lotus
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Sake


Mom and Dad have a sake set:
tiny porcelain cups with no handles.

Holding each to the light, you see
a Japanese woman or a Japanese man.

When the dark eyed woman isn't sleeping,
     she's fierce.



cherylleveretteİ


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dear Cheryl

i am delighted with the subtlety of cups with no handles.....
that for me reaches a myriad of dimensions that actually holds universal questioning
firmly within reach.


a warm smile
silent lotus

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