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  Re: 50. “I am 200 pounds”
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2010, 05:13:38 PM » by maggie flanagan-wilkie
What great words: pregnant indefinition and stanzation!!

This is in my notes to draw from for the essay, Tom;
read the lines of poetry at the end of the definitions/explanations
 which I'm sure you already know.

"euphony

sound patterns used in verse to achieve opposite effects: euphony is pleasing and harmonious; cacophony is harsh and discordant. Euphony is achieved through the use of vowel sounds in words of generally serene imagery. Vowel sounds, which are more easily pronounced than consonants, are more euphonious; the longer vowels are the most melodious. Liquid and nasal consonants and the semivowel sounds (l, m, n, r, y, w) are also considered to be euphonious. An example may be seen in "The Lotos-Eaters" by Alfred, Lord Tennyson: "The mild-eyed melancholy Lotos-eaters came." Cacophony, the opposite of euphony, is usually produced by combinations of words that require a staccato, explosive delivery. Inadvertent cacophony is a mark of a defective style. Used skillfully for a specific effect, however, it vitalizes the content of the imagery. A line in Samuel Taylor Coleridge's "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" illustrates cacophony: With throats unslaked, with black lips baked,Agape they heard me call."."


as I rolled on,
curdling the milk around
      my heart
  and blocking passion's blue torrent
      as if there was no judgment:

I don't fear His hell,
think heaven possible again,
believe a thing.

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  Re: 50. “I am 200 pounds”
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2010, 05:37:44 PM » by Tom Riordan
Thanks, Maggie. That's a really good euphony explanation.

Here,

as I rolled on,
curdling the milk around
      my heart
  and blocking passion's blue torrent
      as if there was no judgment:

I don't fear His hell,
think heaven possible again,
believe a thing.


I do see how striking the "and" as you suggest will intensify that image, enacting the obstruction. Yet, the way it seems to work in my head, the sound in that S enacts the flow, and the last S the obstruction, and the "and" is a little lynchpin of that flow.

Sometimes, even with great comments, it's hard to see clear of our own hearing of a poem, and even harder to abandon it for what others hear. So I appreciate and will continue trying on your thoughts, seeing what comes. Tom
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  Re: 50. “I am 200 pounds”
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2010, 05:57:22 PM » by maggie flanagan-wilkie
I'm smiling.

To me the 'and' is inhiibiditive (my new word!!) Mag
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  Re: 50. “I am 200 pounds”
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2010, 08:23:39 PM » by StellaR


enjoyed the poem and replies.
certainly coming back for another read

Stella
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“Logical argument is what destroys poetry because poetry is beyond logic.” Robert Graves

  Re: 50. “I am 200 pounds”
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2010, 08:28:58 PM » by Tom Riordan
Good. Make sure you bring a new word too, Stella! Tom
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  Re: 50. “I am 200 pounds”
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2010, 10:33:36 PM » by Tiko Lewis
a most engaging write, Tom.
captured the sentiment so
wonderfully. 

enjoyed very much,

tiko
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...i don't eat jelly beans afterward.

  Re: 50. “I am 200 pounds”
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2010, 10:50:06 PM » by Tom Riordan
thanks, Tiko, very much. Tom
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