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  Re: various drafts
« Reply #135 on: May 14, 2010, 01:20:34 PM » by Tom Riordan
The Virgin Mary repeatedly appeared
to these three children, terrifying them
with bloody visions. The crown worn
by the statue of Our Lady of Fátima

is encrusted with 313 pearls, 2679
precious stones, and the bullet that
pierced the body of Pope John Paul II
during the 1981 attempt on his life.


12 Perfect Equations

(1) young children
uninterested in math
or parts of speech
are defective, and
(2) if they can't sit
still for very long while
bored, highly defective.

(3) parents who can't
motivate their kids
to do these things
are highly defective,
(4) which elegantly
explains why the kids
are highly defective.

(5) school isn't defective.
(6) the curriculum isn't
defective, (7) no
teacher is defective,
(8 ) math itself certainly
isn't defective, (9) nor
parts of speech.

(10) the other children
who are interested
in math and parts
of speech (11) or who
sit as if interested
aren't defective, (12)
nor are their parents.


To Our Dear Delinquent

At school you're in trouble,
at home you're in trouble,
with friends you're in trouble,
and with a million other parents
we ask where our sweet boy is
with all that sweet potential,
we balk at changing adjectives,
putting arms around disaster,
saying yes to your implosion,
yes we love this who-the-fuck-
cares boy because you're fine,
ours, and desperate to see it.


canada

canadian
is bad whiskey

canada dry
good ginger ale

canada goose
a goose

that's about all
you can say


Little brown bird
in brown leaves
under the trees,

it looks as if you
forgot yourself
for a moment—

I've done that,
gotten taken up
in the things I

was rustling in,
thought I was
a day laborer

only trying to
make ends meet
under my feet.

Watching you
come to and lift
back up into air

to go or do who
knows what or
where reminds

me to get up
myself and do
something, anything.


Gunner

My nom de guerre is Iron Man
but in the mirror I see
forty or fifty black mallards
straining toward the sky
while some kind of targeted
drab exhalation reduces them
to sparks and comb-like bones.
This is what is happening.
The iron is not, the man is not.


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  Re: various drafts
« Reply #136 on: May 14, 2010, 09:25:59 PM » by cherylleverette
Tom, sometimes when you write, the I is a 'you' sometimes it's an 'it' and sometimes we just don't know.  saying that to say there are a couple of the poems you've posted today that I really identify with, and if it's the way you feel, I commiserate strongly. 

12 perfect equations tugs at my heart.  my daughter always made good grades, teachers always loved her, but my son was different.  he was a bit hyper and hard to keep still, odd though, he was the one who was in gifted and talented classes, whatever that's worth.  aren't all God's children gifted and talented?

dear delinquent, same reaction.  not sure, but I think we had more than our share of teenage angst.  you have a wonderful attitude.

strongly id with little brown bird, both 'taken up' with stuff, coming to, and realizing that what I'm doing is really nothing, get the hell with it, chica.  in your poem along with 'gunner' there seems to be sort of a sadness, an uneasiness.  might just be my imagination and I don't know what 'nom de guerre' means but I'll look it up.

now's the time I always want to say something encouraging but you'd probably tell me these are the narrator's words, not yours, so I'll not do that this time.

cheryl
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A poet dares be just so clear and no clearer.... He unzips the veil from beauty, but does not remove it.  A poet utterly clear is a trifle glaring.  ~E.B. White

  Re: various drafts
« Reply #137 on: May 14, 2010, 09:35:03 PM » by cherylleverette
nom de guerre -- pseudonym;  puts a different light on things.  not really different.  better.  so N appears strong and rarely shows his feelings, esp in times of great stress when everyone else is flipped out, he's the one in control.   

I don't really understand this poem, but I understand the writer is not feeling good about himself, with black mallards straining, drab exhalation reducing, and bones, it's clear.  your point is clear.  reminds me of growing old, which sometimes I hate.  that's the one thing we have no control over.  not even the strongest, healthiest person in the world has control over old age.

cheryl
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A poet dares be just so clear and no clearer.... He unzips the veil from beauty, but does not remove it.  A poet utterly clear is a trifle glaring.  ~E.B. White

  Re: various drafts
« Reply #138 on: May 14, 2010, 09:39:29 PM » by cherylleverette
oh, and the 'virgin mary' draft sounds like a crazy newspaper article.  the truth is, if Mary really is who she really is she wouldn't appear bloody and terrifying to children.  and there's something quirky about the bullet--as if she jumped in front of it to protect the pope.  nope, don't think so.  but I understand.  some people, mostly
'religious' are so friggin illogical about spiritual things.

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A poet dares be just so clear and no clearer.... He unzips the veil from beauty, but does not remove it.  A poet utterly clear is a trifle glaring.  ~E.B. White

  Re: various drafts
« Reply #139 on: May 14, 2010, 11:29:53 PM » by Tom Riordan
Cheryl, thank you for taking a look at these for me. All your reactions are appreciated, and also your urge to commiserate. As you said, some of the things I write about are what I'm experiencing, some inspired by what I experience, and some more based in characters or in my imagination. One of the great things about poetry is, it isn't supposed to be either "fiction" or "non-fiction". For me, it's its own world, each poem plays a note on the piano that is as perfectly tuned as I can make it to a note that's also in my heart, and that's that. On that level, more existential than specific, all commiseration is gratefully accepted! Tom
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  Re: various drafts
« Reply #140 on: May 15, 2010, 01:01:47 AM » by cherylleverette
Tom, you know I never want to appear as if I'm trying to put your poetry in a box, or define it in anyway.  If I do that, it's my issue, and I know better.  When I use the word commiserate I mean I understand and have at one time or another felt that way.  I don't mean to imply you or the narrator are miserable.

I've been reading Sylvia Plath lately, actually studying her more than usual, and really trying to understand her poetry.  Some of it is impossible for me, but her talent is immense, and so is her vocabulary, and the fluid way she uses metaphor.

You have a huge vocabulary too (to me) and your writing reminds me of hers sometimes.  She pulls words out of nowhere or from strange places and uses them in her writing as if it were meant to be there.  You do that too.  Also, she's not tied down by nouns and verbs.  She uses nouns and verbs them;  verbs and nouns them.  You know what I mean.  Language is her element.

I see many fragments of you in her, and her writing in yours.  I hope you consider that a compliment.  It's meant to be.

cheryl

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A poet dares be just so clear and no clearer.... He unzips the veil from beauty, but does not remove it.  A poet utterly clear is a trifle glaring.  ~E.B. White

  Re: various drafts
« Reply #141 on: May 15, 2010, 08:20:01 AM » by Tom Riordan
Yes consider it a compliment! Thanks, Tom
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  Re: various drafts
« Reply #142 on: May 17, 2010, 02:02:33 PM » by Tom Riordan
Plantain Flower

You're a Seattle Space Needle
Coney Island Parachute Jump
George Jetson co-op high-rise
up-burning tiny white spikelet
dizzy spinning wheel fireworks
Giacometti trumpet dispensary
skinny Venusian tonsure monk
Seussic mule-face Eiffel Tower
tall Panoptes blooming stalk of
gaudy-hatted ever-loving herb.


blessed soccer boy

twinkletoes
the coaches call him

for he lightfoots
up and down the field

dipping a toe in here
and there

edging the ball
into a teammate's path

or easing it
past the other goalie

such a grin
on his face as he flies

doing to all
appearances what he

was born to do


That poem not a tale told
or phenomenon described,
but one mood petrified,
a mummy transubstantial.


Nothing Left

If I look at you—
bent, boring, absent—
instead as a god who called me
from my tomb and fixed me,
then my choice is clearer.
Though I never imagined
you, wonder-worker, failing,
wouldn't I have said okay?

When I accepted love,
the agreement was implicit.
When you ran dry as an overused well,
I would pump
what I could back into you—
beg, borrow or steal
the wherewithal to wet your lips,
like it or not.

It's you who would have said no.
That's why I have to say yes.
Pass me your glass
and take my handkerchief.
You gave your all.
There is no shame
or cause for blame
in having nothing left.


New Gulf Oil Spill Idea Rejected

“The danger,” BP spokesman Jack LeMona said,
“with filling up the Gulf of Mexico with crude oil
is if nations on the rim start helping themselves
to it. That would wreak havoc with the markets.
So no, I don't think that's a good solution at all.”

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  Re: various drafts
« Reply #143 on: May 21, 2010, 01:18:25 PM » by Tom Riordan
Paeonia anomala, which grows two feet tall, came up the first six inches looking very healthy this spring, then just stopped. The damn thing still looks so healthy—just short. A Shetland peony? Should I just have faith and ride it out? Get help? A plant whisperer? Herboanalysis? What's going on in there? Homesickness for the Urals? Pituitary glands on strike? Acting “anomalous”?

The zig-zag asters surrounding it try not to take advantage, but soon I have to cut them back or let them over-shade the peony. That will be its death warrant—which may be what it wants. I have religiously followed all 12 of the tips for healthy growth detailed in Wyman's, the gardener's Big Book. So now, the Serenity Prayer suggests that I just put the whole thing out of my mind.

But let me go have one more look. Bring the clippers, just in case. Besides the asters, little sprigs of honeysuckle are growing up, and some kind of grass. I cut all the competition back. If you want to kill yourself, Anomalous, go right ahead, but don't expect me to cooperate. I won't give up on you until you're brown and dry, and even then, until another season's passed.


Brown

Your iced tea is brown,
your skin is brown,
your eyes brown,
shoes brown,
hair brown,    each distinct but
brown.

Your name is Brown.

Shallow of me but this is one
of the things I like about you.
Right now it's everything
I like about you.

When you speak I can't say
that your voice is brown
on any good authority
but it sounds brown.
And certain parts of your body
are not brown
and I like some of them
especially.

Still, your brown hand
on the brown iced tea
is just annihilating me.


You have insomnia,
I have hypochondria,
the kids hyperactivity
and all of us anxiety.

Keeping this treadmill
oiled repaired and running
fast is more than
we can manage.

Grandma prays for
earthquakes she says
God needs to stretch
his wrathful hand.

I'd settle for a twister
or a soaking rain
something to flush out
the leaf-clogged brain.

Your macaroni's boiling
over I know
that burnt smell
that exciting sizzle.


Lily at 10

“You married yet?” Aunt Mary asked.
Lily answered, “No, I'm single.”
Cousin Steve said, “You're too young
to be single.”
“No,” she said, “you're too old to be
single.”
And everybody got a laugh from that.

After everyone went home, she said,
“Am I really too young to be single?”
I said, “Most people think you'd have
to be an age when you could actually
be married.”
“I like being single anyway,” she said.

At Christmas, Aunt Mary got drunk
and asked again if she was married.
"Still single,” Lily said.
“I'm married,” Aunt Mary declared,
“but I wish I was single.”
Uncle Stuart took exception.
“What about me?” he protested.
“Do you think I like being married?”

After everyone went home, she said,
“Are the Supreme Court ladies married?”
“Sotomeyer and Kagan, no," I told her.
"Ginsberg's been married over 50 years.”
“I'll be one of the single ones,” she said.
“That will be up you," I said.
“You see?” she said triumphantly.


He was enough of a logophile too
that when I said I was a logophile
he understood the phile  part fine
but a wide grin seemed to connote
he thought the log  referred to his.
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  Re: various drafts
« Reply #144 on: May 24, 2010, 09:00:15 AM » by cherylleverette
You do so well with your flowering metaphors.  And I tend to personify them.  First S of your Peony shows care and concern and confusion.   The asters over-shadowing and being the death of it is interesting, and yet you are kind to cut away.   Curious the competition.  If a peony was a woman she'd wonder what the competition is aiming at, her place?  Her?  The last line is beautiful, reassuring and comforting.  Altogether a beautiful and loving poem.


cheryl


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  Re: various drafts
« Reply #145 on: May 24, 2010, 10:47:11 AM » by Tom Riordan
Thanks, Cheryl. Your comment makes me think about the act of cutting back other plants in hopes of helping our "special one"-- Tom
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  Re: various drafts
« Reply #146 on: May 24, 2010, 10:48:36 AM » by cherylleverette
Interesting that you would follow the peony poem with 'brown' after you've just alluded to brown as something dry.  I suppose it's good for 'brown' that you say you'll even wait another season.  I'm not sure why but I understand the N seeing someone as a color.  Yet brown isn't always a pretty one.  Can be one though.  I remember your 'little brown bird' poem.  Seems N has had the browns lately instead of the blues.  Interesting lines are how brown's hair is 'distinct', that either 'brown' has no voice, or that N hasn't heard brown's voice, love the 'certain parts' line, erotic in a way, and then the killer line of annihilation.  A 'hand' can refer to many things -- writing, giving, touching.  Interesting that the hand as an extension of 'brown' is brown too and something worth mentioning.  I like this poem very much.

Regarding 'Lily at 10' very nice to hear a 10 year old talk so favorably about her future.  I suspect her opinions of being single will change though, but maybe not in a bad way.  And I certainly understand.

'Insomnia' -- very puzzling last stanza.  'Nothing left' sounds like the ending of a relationship, and made me sad to read it.  I suppose that makes it a good poem.  I could feel the pain in the ending;  could hear myself saying 'come back, it's not over, I'm not empty' as though I was a partaker in this relationship.  Maybe I've been here before.  There's nothing like trying to tell someone something, they hear something else, and then you have to back up and fix things.  I think there's a typo in 'pass me your glass' -- you have 'pass my your glass' which is probably why I read 'pass my glass' the first time and was a bit confused.  Pass me your glass fits well with the emptiness and the well going dry, as the N seems to think.  Some wells never go dry by giving.  Other wells do go dry from pain or rejection.  Have no idea what the well in your poem's been doing--giving alot or hurting alot.  Maybe a bit of both.  This is a good poem.  As I said earlier, it's good enough to hurt.

My apologies for two posts.  I'd rather comment fully on one poem rather than try to fit several comments in a hurry on more than one poem.  All of your writing is good to me and all of it is fun and interesting to read, think about, and comment on.  And of course, I always project myself in there sometimes, just because I'm me, I suppose.

Wonderful job,
cheryl

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A poet dares be just so clear and no clearer.... He unzips the veil from beauty, but does not remove it.  A poet utterly clear is a trifle glaring.  ~E.B. White

  Re: various drafts
« Reply #147 on: May 24, 2010, 06:09:15 PM » by silent lotus
Thanks for the link, Silent. You know how interested I am in the religious arcana. That you send it with the "Old Jogging Lady," however, is a sign of how insane YOU are! LOL. tom

http://www.sacredsites.com/middle_east/turkey/mary_ephesus.htm



Old Jogging Lady

The old jogging lady
inspires everyone
including the kids
but she's spooky too:
she's always out there
jogging, mornings,
afternoons, evenings.

If she dies one day
as even joggers do
they may discover
she has no home,
ID, or next of kin
but was a kind of alien
who just jogged—

unless a vigilante
posse nets her first,
pins her down and
demands some answers.
What do you eat?
Where do you pee?
Do you ever watch TV?

It's none of my business,
I know that.
It's a free country
for old jogging ladies
as well as anyone else,
but she troubles me.
She troubles me.
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  Re: various drafts
« Reply #148 on: May 24, 2010, 06:23:26 PM » by Tom Riordan
Cheryl, thank you for posting your reactions to these poems. I'm glad you read them and find something in them, and your comments are useful for future revisions. Thanks for the catch on that typo, too. Tom
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  Re: various drafts
« Reply #149 on: May 25, 2010, 09:39:25 AM » by Tom Riordan
First Day

the petrolatum on her teeth
then lipstick to the lips,
blush on the cheeks,
mascara to the lids,
roll-on deodorant to underarms,
a dab inside the underwear,
nail polish on the pantyhose
to staunch the tear,
some hairspray to the hair,
a shake of talcum in the shoes,
perfume spritzed onto one wrist
which then dances on the other,
and presto-change-o, oo-la-la:
mother is ready for her pumps
and coat (on sale) and purse,
and let evil dragons beware,
her sallying forth is not to be
trifled with, and even dad
stops in his tracks and looks
her up and down and
whistles once, shaking his head.
you'll knock 'em dead, he says.
her eyes glow as
she stoops to deliver a kiss
but I protest, No, stop, ma,
don't ruin your lipstick.
we're all so proud of her,
as marvelous as Jackie O.,
she is the first and only
working mother on the block.


On a bloop
you lose—
that's baseball,
as they say—

but what do
you say about
a slipped gene
or an asp bite—

that's life?—
when it isn't.
It's something
else.

It's only life
if you court
radiation
or milk venom
from vipers,

but if you are
just walking
down the street,
it's a cheat—

there's nothing
else to call it—

life cheated
by bad luck
escaped
from someone's
card game

and expatiated
to run loco,

a pain-crazed bull
who sees red
but wears black.


Self-Portrait as a Child, James “Athenian” Stuart

You wasted nothing on self-love
and showed an aptitude for classical
proportions by subverting them.
The face is one size larger than
the head, the frame one smaller
still, the hands an adult woman's
right down to the polished nails
and necklace held like worry beads.
Your ear's misshapen, eye keen,
nose bold and strong, lips as full,
curled, greedy as any in England.
You saw you're unlike anyone else
and you will let the chips fall
where they may, on evil or beauty.


A Blessed Mother standing unassisted
in her ruined grotto of chipped plaster
seemed a miracle at first, considering
the traffic of mutts, careening children,
squirrels, tomcats, and lost tree limbs;
now it would be miraculous if she fell,
overgrown as she is nearly to the chin
with spider ivy, myrtle, and houttuynia.
My own strength deteriorates quicker;
not even tree of heaven will outlast her.


This Morning's Love Advice for You Ladies from Harrison Forbes, Professional Dog Trainer and Author of “Heart of a Dog: What Challenging Dogs Have Taught Me About Love, Trust and Second Chances”

Dogs wipe the slate clean many times a day.
If an owner is grumpy and yells at a dog
then waits a minute and acts like he never did,
the dog will immediately forgive him.

Dogs offer truly substantive relationships.
Most people don't. Regardless of a dog's personality,
you pretty much always get the same behavior
unless the dog is ill. You can imagine how a similar
consistency could add to your romantic relationship.

Dogs want to have a good time, keep things light.
The harder you go at it in a training phase,
the more you have to counterbalance it.


If sport or film, or even sport on film
brings us to tears
what chance has anyone
against the future
and the simulacrum of the future
it will gull us with?

What chance have I
today against your feigning of desire?

Some are rag dolls, some the shepherd
dogs who shake them
in their canines
and then drop them, soaked in drool.

Your teeth pierce me
and don't pierce me
at the same time.
It's a pleasurable, half-muffled pain
as is the sand on your tongue
and the happy saliva.

Yes I'm weeping as a sprinter tries
to keep tears from her
hard unblinking eyes
so unsuccessfully.

Yes I'm weeping over you
as well.

As virtual ice extends its reach
and human hand retracts its touch
it will not matter much if we
are here or there,
pre-programmed
as we are
so hopelessly to care.
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