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  Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« on: May 22, 2009, 03:31:10 PM » by J. Barrale


Such watches – tautly wound weapons of choice,
their diamond numerals glittering sails, wanderers on seas of glass,
their soul’s science and logic, Greeks who came to plunder –
end the Sundial’s kingdom,  and run his people off.     
The young, the old, and the slow caught,
spoils and slaves taken, barter and hostage for trade,     
with us, their distant future’s Gods.

Such watches – it was Ulysses heart, clever and old,
the loving father that armed each tooth, put helmets on their heads,
and taught each son how to stop the blows of the mighty gear's hammer.
And no one knows who made the first sprocket,
or set its army marching to its jeweled and secret wars.

Such watches – time an island, whose boats flee,
its prince the Cyclops blinded, its monster humbled,
Uranus and Gaia’s son in dark dreams tortured,
his heart kept ticking, its physics bewitched,
and held like sex between the watches' shells.     

Such watches – the heavy, ticking breast, more than a she,
her cave is cool at midday, her coils the night winding down
on steel's thin perfections
while the world is stopped, thick as noon,
and green as brass.

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses, the sirens call,
they seem to sing only for you, their songs are figs and green wine,
their beauty the beach as it curls with waves,
the sun that day hot, the air sharp with salt,
and rank with the smell of the penned sheep
ready for slaughter.     

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses, see how they sway,
suddenly all thoughts of raids and schemes evaporate from your head,
and as befits a man who is blessed, you are back in Ithaca,
a boy again, in your father's orchards
where the cold, clear, water runs over the stones.

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses, how you've changed,
you are no longer quite the country bumpkin.
And in a moment of almost Athenian grace,
you deftly turn the boat
and again and forever, start over the voyage.

- John Barrale

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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2009, 12:19:18 AM » by Tom Riordan
Such watches – tautly wound weapons of choice,
their diamond numerals glittering sails, wanderers on seas of glass,
their soul's science and logic, Greeks who came to plunder, 
end the Sundial's kingdom,  and run his people off.     
The young, the old, and the slow caught,
spoils and slaves taken, barter and hostage for trade,     
with us –  their distant future's Gods.

Such watches – it was Ulysses heart, clever and old,
the loving father that armed each tooth, put helmets on their heads,
and taught each son how to stop the blows of the mighty gear's hammer.
And no one knows who made the first sprocket,
or set its army marching to its jeweled and secret wars.

Such watches – time an island, whose boats flee,
its prince the Cyclops blinded, its monster humbled,
Uranus and Gaia’s son in dark dreams tortured,
his heart kept ticking, its physics bewitched,
and held like sex between the watches shells.     

Such watches – the heavy, ticking breast, more than a she,
her cave is cool at midday, her coils the night winding down
on steel's thin perfections
while the world is stopped, thick as noon,
and green as brass.

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses, the sirens call,
they seem to sing only for you, their songs are figs and green wine,
their beauty the beach as it curls with waves,
the sun that day hot, the air sharp with salt,
and rank with the smell of the penned sheep
ready for slaughter.     

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses, see how they sway,
suddenly all thoughts of raids and schemes evaporate from your head,
and as befits a man who is blessed, you are back in Ithaca,
a boy again, in your father's orchards
where the cold, clear, water runs over the stones.

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses, see how you've changed,
you are no longer quite the country bumpkin.
And in a moment of almost Athenian grace,
you deftly turn the boat
and again and forever, start over the voyage.
Great title, John. Great opening. Great ending. And I'm guessing there are maybe 10 words too many scattered throughout the body of the poem that make it run just a tad slow. Tom
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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2009, 01:07:39 AM » by Sue Lozynskyj
I love this...the audacity, the scope, the openess of it.  It twinkles, it ticks.  I agree with Tom,  it would benefit from another pass. I think this watch

and held like sex between the watches shells

needs an apostrophe.

Excellent engineering John.
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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2009, 12:38:36 PM » by J. Barrale
Hi Sue and Tom:

Thanks for your comments!!! They are greatly appreciated.

Sue - I made the change where you indicated.

I'm glad you liked the poem. I wrote it this past April and will revisit it as it settles. I spent my adolescence reading Science -Fiction and watching 1950's and 60's epic movies like "Ulysses", "Spartacus" and "Ben-Hur". I also loved reading Mary Stewart books (The Mask of Apollo, The Bull From the Sea, and The Fire From Heaven ) all books that I read back then and that brought the ancient Greek world to memorable life.

A paper back book company called "Ace Books" sold Sci-Fi and Pulp novels, for about 50 cents a pop, with the most lurid covers done in garish colors that really set your imagination going - giant dinosaurs and/or aliens chasing fleeing lovely ladies while the geek scientist hero gallantly tried to stave them off. Not at all meant to negate the writing which was often quite good by such great and diverse authors such as Andre Norton, Robert Silverberg and Robert Heinlein.

One such book cover had a spaceship being pulled into the inner workings of a giant watch that looked something like a pocket watch. Need I say more. All stuff that 45 years later inspired my poem.

Sorry for rambling on - but like that spaceship you are somewhat of a captive audience.

Best Always,
John

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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2009, 01:34:14 PM » by Sue Lozynskyj
Thanks John, often explainations dull poems, but your tour around the nether reaches of the universe was just delightful.  I think the key is that the poem stands alone without the reader needing any of that background information, but having read it another layer of texture is available.  If you ever perform it though,  I would advise you not to be tempted to preamble at all, complex though the working of the poem is, just let the sounds and pictures wash over the audience then sell them the book!  I have just read it aloud by the way and there is no stuttering point for me...a good sign.
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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2009, 02:38:30 PM » by StellaR


amazing! your explanation gave the poem new life and I went back for another read.
much enjoyed

Stella
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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2009, 06:53:02 PM » by Timothy Juhl
Hi John,

I liked much of the imagery in the poem and did find that your explanation helped in the overall understanding of the poem's genesis.  I do think it could use another pass at some deep revision.

I have done a lot of readings over the years in public and I'm always mindful that the listening audience benefits from some prologue before the poem is read.  However, an editor reading your poem at a desk in some dank office will not have the same benefit and the poem must reach across to the reading audience as well.

Just something I use when revisiting my own work before submitting it to publishers.

Tim
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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2009, 07:11:29 PM » by Kevin Jackson
John, quite wonderful.  The sweep takes my breath away, and every line has pearls for those who dive deep.

My only question is the very first line - it stretches too much (I think) - "tautly wound weapons of choice".   I don't have any suggestion just a niggle over it in the context of a poem where every word feels precision-fitted.

I also enjoyed your explanation.  A footnote?

k
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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2009, 11:38:31 PM » by Tom Riordan
John, took a run through here, a series of small nips and tucks, suggestions or provocations...

Such watches – tautly wound weapons of choice,
their diamond numerals glittering sails, wanderers on seas of glass,
their soul's science and logic, Greeks who came to plunder –
end the Sundial's kingdom, and run his people off.     
The young, the old, and the slow caught,
spoils and slaves taken, barter and hostage for trade,     
with us, their distant future's Gods.

Such watches – it was Ulysses heart, clever and old,
the loving father that armed each tooth, put helmets on their heads,
and taught each son to stop the blows of the mighty gear's hammer.
Who knows who made the first sprocket,
or set its army marching to its jeweled and secret wars?

Such watches – the heavy, ticking breast, more than a she,
her cave cool at midday, her coils the night winding down
on thin steel's perfections
while the world is stopped, thick as noon
and green as brass.

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses, the sirens call,
they seem to sing only for you, their songs are figs and green wine,
their beauty the beach as it curls with waves,
the sun hot, the air sharp with salt,
rank with the smell of the penned sheep
ready for slaughter.     

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses, see how they sway,
all thoughts of raids and schemes evaporated from your head,
and as befits a blessed man, you are back in Ithaca,
a boy again, in your father's orchards
where the cold, clear, water courses over the stones.

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses, see how you've changed,
you are no longer quite the country bumpkin.
And in a moment of almost Athenian grace,
you deftly turn the boat
and again and forever, start over the voyage.
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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2009, 07:11:03 AM » by Ken Robson
Such watches – tautly wound weapons of choice,
their diamond numerals glittering sails, wanderers on seas of glass,
their soul's science and logic, Greeks who came to plunder, 
end the Sundial's kingdom,  and run his people off.     
The young, the old, and the slow caught,
spoils and slaves taken, barter and hostage for trade,     
with us –  their distant future's Gods.

Such watches – it was Ulysses heart, clever and old,
the loving father that armed each tooth, put helmets on their heads,
and taught each son how to stop the blows of the mighty gear's hammer.
And no one knows who made the first sprocket,
or set its army marching to its jeweled and secret wars.

Such watches – time an island, whose boats flee,
its prince the Cyclops blinded, its monster humbled,
Uranus and Gaia’s son in dark dreams tortured,
his heart kept ticking, its physics bewitched,
and held like sex between the watches' shells.     

Such watches – the heavy, ticking breast, more than a she,
her cave is cool at midday, her coils the night winding down
on steel's thin perfections
while the world is stopped, thick as noon,
and green as brass.

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses, the sirens call,
they seem to sing only for you, their songs are figs and green wine,
their beauty the beach as it curls with waves,
the sun that day hot, the air sharp with salt,
and rank with the smell of the penned sheep
ready for slaughter.     

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses, see how they sway,
suddenly all thoughts of raids and schemes evaporate from your head,
and as befits a man who is blessed, you are back in Ithaca,
a boy again, in your father's orchards
where the cold, clear, water runs over the stones.

Such watches - Glory O Glory Ulysses,
see how you've changed,
you are no longer a guest in a strange land,
And in a moment of almost Athenian grace,
you heave to, home.


John,

This is very beautiful, you out Fagle Fagles
until the final stanza which for me was a
let-down. I took the liberty of an edit in '
which I tried to preserve your diction and
tone. Are you a classics scholar?

                                      Ken
- John Barrale

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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2009, 11:25:08 AM » by J. Barrale
Hello Stella, Tim, Kevin, Tom, and Ken:

Thanks ever so much for all of your kind comments and suggestions - all of which I'll go back to frequently in the days to come. Tim: you are quite right about editors and such in the print world. I've had a few things published in literary journals but it's a frustrating process at best due to the long time it takes for a response and if the poem is rejected - you seldom receive an explanation as to why. I have some poems forthcoming in future (2009) issues of Lullwater Review" , Journal of New Jersey Poets" and "Poettalk" which believe it or not I submitted in late 2007 and early 2008. I feel so far away from those poems as they were written so long ago. Poetry Circle is much better as you can see a poet's current work and there is an awesome immediacy and freshness to what you are reading. But the best is reading before a live audience as above all poetry is an oral art.  

By the way - Ken - I'm not at all a classic scholar. I barely squeaked out of college with a B.A., in English Literature, back in prehistoric times. I've kicked around a bit, read a lot, and now nearing sixty I begin to understand, and reread, things I read in my twenties. The Power of Myth (by  Joseph Campbell) is an excellent reference for any poet to read as myth was and remains great narrative poetry.

Best Always,
John  
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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2009, 11:28:21 AM » by Kevin Jackson
Tim, picking up on your comment about communicating context to editors/would be readers... I've pondered for a while whether I want to try to get poems published... if I did, are you suggesting it's helpful to provide a gloss when you submit?   Sorry if this puts you on the spot but very interested in your comment.   And John, hope you don't mind me adding a tangent to your well-turned time pieces?  :)

k
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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2009, 12:00:06 PM » by J. Barrale
Hi Kevin:

Not at all - I greatly appreciate your comments. Also, check out "Poet's Market" available on Amazon. com. It is an excellent reference text that lists over 2,000 literary magazines (in the U.S., U.K. and Canada) where you can submit your work, how to effectively write a cover letter, etc. A must have guide if you are sending work out in the "print" world.

Best Always,
John   
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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2009, 12:10:54 PM » by Sue Lozynskyj
John, I read it aloud again, enjoyed the rhythm, Please just post in the thread when you've finished editing this...I plan to pick it when you're done, unless I'm beaten to it!
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  Re: Movements of Almost Athenian Grace
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2009, 11:50:58 AM » by J. Barrale
Hi Sue and Tom:

Thanks again for your encouragement and generous comments. And Tom, I used some of your excellent suggestions and posted a final revised version.   

Best Always,
John
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