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  Re: Can we write too well?
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2009, 06:17:45 PM » by maggie flanagan-wilkie
Ah, James,

There is always room for speculation.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123998633934729551.html

I shall be checking out your Mr. Bryson.  :)

Maggie
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  Re: Can we write too well?
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2009, 11:48:52 PM » by ca.leverette
"Will, who might really have just been the front man for Edward de Vere
and others who may have collaborated to produce that extraordinary collection of work as was done in 'Henry VI Part I;  my favorite supposition being Christopher Marlowe's death was faked and he was spirited off to Italy where he continued to write for the stage through Will."

I really, really object to those ideas that Shakespeare didn't write his works. There is plenty of evidence that he did write his own plays, and not a shred to suggest anyone else specifically wrote them. Bill Bryson did a pretty good job regarding Shakespeare in his biography. Not that it really matters, but just couldn't help myself!

thanks

James

James, from the classes I've taken there are only a few works that historians question, and I think when all the boiling is done, the credit is given to Shakespeare, although I'm familiar with what Maggie writes about--so, I vote for Marlowe for second place--'twas a very shady character, that fella', maybe he was Shakespeare's dark side, like Jekyll and Hyde.
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  Re: Can we write too well?
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2009, 11:50:59 PM » by ca.leverette
Cheryl, Don't worry about engaging the reader; engage yourself with how to say what it is you want to say
as clearly as you can, because that done well is what engages a reader.


I think a poet should feel free enough to take his energy, tone and voice to any environment. No walls, unless they are in a form of his choosing. Why restrict curiosity?

Oh, but you should imitate Emily and Will, who might really have just been the front man for Edward de Vere
and others who may have collaborated to produce that extraordinary collection of work as was done in 'Henry VI Part I;  my favorite supposition being Christopher Marlowe's death was faked and he was spirited off to Italy where he continued to write for the stage through Will, but I digress. ;)

You should imitate writers you enjoy, Cheryl. It's schooling.
It won't turn you into them, it just focuses your muse to
be able recognize what works in your own writing and
when you read or review the work of others later on.

The delight of trying to write like Shakespeare, or whoever, is that it makes reading him a whole new experience, because you're not just a reader anymore, you're a poet reading a fellow poet, a student learning from the a master to appreciate the nuances of skill in any century.

Here are the opening lines of the prologue in Henry V:

"O for a muse of fire, that would ascend
The brightest heaven of invention:"

Isn't this what we all want to have going for us in the language department
when we sit down and try to clothe a concept? A muse who rises to the occasion.
Well, we have to feed that muse.

So, imitate like crazy: one line, one phrase or a whole poem; imitate Milner, Tom, Bob the Science guy, Emily and Will, and Elliot and Coleridge and Plath and Sexton and Berrigan and everyone else that interests you.
Give them your rainy afternoons.

Maggie
























Maggie, I love this reply. Especially the part about curiosity.  Sometimes I know something is right--I just need someone to affirm it.  Thanks for doing that.
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  Re: Can we write too well?
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2009, 11:53:00 PM » by ca.leverette
Many times if you read a particular writer enough, you can't help but imitate his style.  What I worry about is that my imitation will be seen as plagiarism--can't imagine anything more humiliating.
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  Re: Can we write too well?
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2009, 03:20:21 PM » by GREENWOLFE
It is good that you have a discussion board like this because this is the only place
where such a question could be asked and discussed in a serious manner . I have
enjoyed reading the comments .


Greenwolfe
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