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  Answers About Murders in Baja
« on: November 29, 2008, 06:59:32 PM » by Lynn Doiron
Among the answers you might give your loved ones
about the murders, the one you most frequently give is
I keep my head down and stay in at night.

No detailed descriptions are offered about the dead man
beside the green dumpster on the road shoulder near Tijuana
or the joint on Boulevard Benito Juarez where some others
                                                                   were shot. 

Does your uncle or son need to know this killing
ground is on your way to pay another month’s DSL?
Do they need to know how many died, how slowly,
of blood saturating the unholy earth?  How quick
red returns to dust?

What you can tell them should exclude
the dark trucks with four and six men
draped over cab and tailgate holding guns, aiming
guns – at the ready.  And leave out the skateboarder
who pushed clear of their steady path.  And the girl
with dark braids who practiced controlling that soccer ball,
the girl who waved as they passed, and they,
in their balaclava ski masks, tipped their guns
                                                to wave back. 

No, don’t tell your loved ones any of that. 
If they hammer you hard What’s going on? tell them
the ocean continues to come forward and recede, erasing
the sand of past deeds.

Yes, and detail for them the shades of bougainvillea
coming over white walls, wind in the palm fronds,
halos at sunset trembling color for hundreds and hundreds
                                                       of miles.

Tell them, I keep my head down.  I stay in at night.
Don’t tell them you listen for sirens.  No. 
No need to mention that.

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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2008, 07:18:27 PM » by Rick Stansberger
S4 paints a remarkable image.  I like the quiet dignity of the whole poem.  There would be a tendency to wax poetic, but it doesn't use that wax.  It gleams enough as it is.
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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2008, 07:32:58 PM » by Lynn Doiron
It is remarkable to see masked good guys, who wear masks because the cartels kill officers they can identiy.  And also remarkable to see weaponed men rolling down a street where the children wave and then get out of the way. 

Thanks, rick. 
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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2008, 09:42:37 PM » by Tom Riordan
We saw the children waving at gunmen also in Iraq, and this weekend, Indian commandos held a press conference masked in black. The heart of your poem--

"the ocean continues to come forward and recede, erasing
the sand of past deeds.

Yes, and detail for them the shades of bougainvillea
coming over white walls, wind in the palm fronds,
halos at sunset trembling color for hundreds and hundreds
                                                       of miles."

has great movement all through, "coming over the walls," the waving and trembling, and does a good job conflating the gunmen with nature and vice versa. Nice. Don't really understand another powerful force at work as we read the poem: that we are also concerned for you, the author's safety. How does this change the read? It both interferes and intensifies. Tom
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2008, 10:00:48 PM » by brian_edwards
Lynn, blood saturating earth and child waving at masked gunmen are well-used images, and feel out of place in an otherwise powerful poem. I agree with what Tom identifies as the heart of the poem too.

I knew little about Baja before, and as your friend I am affected by what I now know.

B.


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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2008, 02:16:19 AM » by Lynn Doiron
thanks, tom
thanks, B

the gunmen and children are the poem.  if that doesn't come through, this piece needs serious work

thanks, all --

lynn
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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2008, 02:31:35 AM » by brian_edwards
Lynn, the point I was trying to make wasn't in regards to the gunmen and children, of course that is important and real. It's the waving that feels used, to me.

I don't want my comments to appear like I don't like the poem, because I do. A lot. Really suits my mood.

B.



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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2008, 08:02:10 AM » by milner place
Agree that the waving is at the very heart of this, and for me it all works wondrously. My confirmation is in a pick.

milner
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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2008, 12:02:19 PM » by Lynn Doiron
I see what you're saying Brian.  And I may need to write a different poem that addresses the blood saturated ground and how a day passes and foot traffic and light santa anas have masked the stains to the same dust as before.  And the feeling that the girl who waved and the federali who tipped his gun in return were related somehow -- he could've been her older brother or uncle or father, a working man waving from his telephone installation vehicle rather than a masked man with a gun.  But this wasn't the poem for all that.  Just wanted a sort of real surface danger to set up some tension to go along with my flippant answer to my loved ones -- because they do ask and I do tell them I keep my head down.  You know I like your opinions, B., as they make me consider, reconsider my choices.  Thanks, again.

Thanks, Milner.  This is a new world for me down here.  Last evening I had the pleasure of listening to accoustic guitar accompanying a rap poet, and although I understood hardly a word, I was moved and mesmerized by the young man's intensity and afterwards told that the piece was about the violence here in Baja and how that violence changes the everyday lives of the everyday people.  I must learn this language.  I get the "heart" of what's said just by how it is said [like an aria in a foregin language communicates], but I want so much to understand the words.  Thanks for the pick, for letting me know the connection is in this poem.

best regards,  lynn
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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 12:45:35 AM » by Shari-Lyn McArthur
Lynn, as a poet, a writer, an artist, you must indeed make it your mission to absorb the language from the air around you.  Do it. 
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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2008, 07:26:00 PM » by milner place
It is possible that I'm influenced to some degree by the setting of this poem. Nevertheless, I consider it more than earning a front page showing.

Cheers

milner
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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2008, 07:29:42 PM » by Lavonne Westbrooks
Bravo!
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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2008, 07:40:58 PM » by Lynn Doiron
I do not know what to say. 

Thank you, Milner.  I wish the poem said more, did more.  But I am deeply honored all the same.

Thanks, el vee!
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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2008, 08:20:45 PM » by Tom Riordan
Good to see this here, Lynn. Tom
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  Re: Answers About Murders in Baja
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2008, 07:40:48 PM » by Jill Winkowski
Hi Lynn, I am very interested in tone in here. It seems to replicate the tone the narrator might use on the phone when saying the "I keep my head down" thing.  Well, I like the marriage of image and a kind of mundaneness (in a very real way) and audacity of violence. Like  two worlds come together in a tentative acceptance in order to move through hours.  Will read again--very nicely done, Lynn.
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